9 responses to “More crazy feminist rant from yours truly.”

  1. Oonagh

    Just a question out of interest, do you feel the same about transgender related surgery? I’m not trying to catch you out or call you transphobic or anything! Just think it’s an interesting comparison.

  2. Cathy Butler

    I think I disagree – not with your distaste for cosmetic surgery (or rather with the culture of teaching women to hate their bodies that gives rise to it), but with your conclusion that correction shouldn’t be available on the NHS. It’s a very slippery slope argument, but once we start refusing NHS treatment to people because their conditions are due to their making stupid decisions, or perhaps just doing things we don’t approve of, then – well, I’m sure you can fill in the blank, but for example, if we refuse to help these women, we will also refuse to treat: a) people with diseases caused by smoking or alcohol; b) people in car accidents who weren’t wearing a seat belt; c) people injured skiing, skateboarding, playing rugby, etc.

    In short, people do stupid things, and the NHS is there to cure them, not to judge them.

  3. Rhubarb

    good SLATE article: Are Breast Implants and Genital Mutilation the Same Thing?

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/01/13/breast_implants_are_supposedly_empowering.html

  4. Rhubarb

    To conflate breast enhancement [for non medical reasons] with feminist goals of bodily autonomy sounds like likening Michael Jackson’s cosmetic surgeries to the goals of the Black Power movement.

    ps – I respect the opinions expressed here and I seriously am not trying to sound snarky. But I do really think that “sound mind” cannot be applied to situations in which people feel personally driven to undergo elective surgeries to make their appearance conform to such low and irrational “standards” of what they perceive to be the dominant culture, especially when it occurs in groups carrying the burden of historical mass oppression.

    1. Cathy Butler

      I’m not conflating breast enhancement with the goals of feminism, because I’m not suggesting that people get breast enhancements as a feminist gesture. However, the freedom to make that choice is a corollary of one of those goals. The trouble with winning freedom for people is that they may use it in ways you dislike – but that after all is the nature of the beast, and I believe that feminism entails bodily autonomy for all women, not just for feminists.

      As for who counts as being of sound mind and in a position to take decisions on their own behalf, that’s probably not something any of us is in a position to decide in an abstract way: it’s a clinical matter. But I do think that it’s a mistake to suggest that certain groups of women are driven, irrational, etc.. This has far too often been the tactic of patriarchy with respect to women as a whole.

      As it happens, I share your distaste for cosmetic surgery prompted by a desire to conform to patriarchal standards of female beauty, and think women who seek it for those reasons are probably making a mistake. But then, I think they’re also making a mistake when they take up smoking and drinking to look cool. I wouldn’t deny them NHS treatment in that case, either.

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